Not as thick and sturdy as the previous version. These are MM brand Zen bike shorts with pockets. They run very small like the former Zen shorts without pockets.

I have been wearing MM Bike Shorts for years, and I love them. I needed new ones in a smaller size, so ordered these. Big disappointment! These are NOT bike shorts- way too short. The material is really thin and, they don't have the waist band key pocket, and they are way smaller than they used to be. I'd need a LARGER size in these, when I needed a smaller size in my previous ones. I'd advise you not to buy these if you are looking for more like you had before... it's not these!

Check the size on shorts matches what packaging says. The packaging is messed up. Love the shorts so I ordered an extra set in medium. Mediums came and I wore all day wondering why they were so much tighter only to check the size on the actual shorts and they were size small (even though packaging said medium.. had to dig through the garbage to confirm). Too late to return.

Ugh these are so uncomfortable, at least for the larger ladies. Ordered a 2X to be conservative -- my other shorts are XL- XXL. The only good thing I can say about them is that the fabric seems nice. But they are Mid-waist, which makes them shift and roll down as soon as you sit. Then they also roll up at the legs. And when you manage to unroll them for the umpteenth time, they still cut at the thighs. Worst part, because of the packaging, there is no way to try these on before to know how truly uncomfortable they are on un larger girls and I'm not sure if I can return them. Complete waste of money.

Light weight, comfortable, great under a skirt or dress.

Fit well. A little on the short side. Pockets are great.

Thinner fabric, okay but not a fan

A little shorter than expected so I'll wear them as swim shorts

Perfect for summer workouts

Great shorts for the price! 170lbs I wear a size large.